A Different Drummer

first, i will respond to brodie's.

that'll take a while ;0

i tried at least. i'll try again

but like i said, i think australia or whoever would probably respond in the same way

ok will do that one

as a preview: i dont think you can

and its no coincedence they are not coming from the west bank

who's sitting in the west bank?

hamas?

not the fatah that is under control of abbas

there is no fatah in gaza

none with weapons, anyway

if you are talking about al-aqsa, while they sometimes affiliate themselves with fatah, they are by no means controlled by the political wing of fattah

has hamas once said that they would be open to peace with israel if they completely open gaza

???

let me answer that one for you. no.

i can't grasp this about you at all

and for a long time israel said it would never deal with the PLO, who were blood soaked terrorists etc.

the earlier yasser days, yes.

the origins of hamas were in the PLO

could it not be that the extremists will forever be extremists

well, i dont think arafat was ever really open to peace

though he put on a good show until camp david

i mean there is something about being pulled into discussions and asked what do you want, define your outcome

that tends to co-opt and moderate people

not if you continually refer to not stopping until you have all of israel

as the west bank shows

but seriously what do you think the alternative is

hamas will keep firing rockets

i don't think you can rally halt the supply of gunpowder and sheet metal

you have on several occassions agreed with me on the virtues of assasinating hamas leaders

thats not a differing issue

ok so shelling a crowded neighbourhood

i dont believe that is a war crime either

i mean legally it doesn't matter because there won't be prosecution

do you actually think following geneva conventions is the right thing to do?

not to sound vague or inconclusive but to highlight the fact it is far more complex to do so when it isn't two armies standing face-to-face as was the case in the time that the geneva conventions were created

do you think that hamas follows the geneva conventions?

not in the slightest

i mean its their strategy right

but for example. i think if a hamas mortar team fires from a building that has say 50 civilians in it

the strategic benefit of responding

it outweighed by the number of innocent people who will die

like...there is no international law

its a joke

and the country should be judged on whether what it was trying to get in return

justifies the numbers

i think in lebanon, its pretty clear that it was just not worth it

hizbullah knows that if it fires one rocket on israel, israel would demolish beirut

they responded to some israeli aggression on lebanon?

it seems your memory escapes you again

who infiltrated who's border?

who attached who's army posting?

who killed who's soldiers?

so????